It's funny seeing it from a man's perspective, it really is. Take Ranger Buddy and his English Lit classes, for instance ;-). I listen to his moaning almost daily now. This, from a man who never moan about any kind of work. This, from a man who can work like a maniac eight days a week. This, from a man who can work out and look sculpted from sheer will. This, from a man who is going to run with the bulls in a month. But reading English lit and discussing the themes and meanings for three hours twice a week is sheer torture for this man.
It's funny because he tries and fails miserably. I have these accounts from eyewitnesses:
1) He smacks his head with the book when the teacher brings up "sexual connotations" or "the old south vs the new south" or "what the author really meant underneath the story."
2) He makes tortured noises when he hears assignments like "Is the woman behind the wallpaper?" or "When Kowalski raped Blanche, does it mean the new south 'raping' the old south?"
3) He turned the text upside down once when the teacher said, "Some people see a reference of the woman behind the wall paper as having a lesbian lover and the husband killed her for the betrayal" and shook it hard. When I asked him later why he did that, he explained that he thought he might had some hidden paragraphs that he'd somehow missed since there was no mention of a lesbian lover in his version of the book ;-). He'd hoped that by shaking it, those paragraphs would magically appear. Male sarcasm at its best.
4) He takes out quotes from the plays and makes it his own. Like when he locked himself out of the truck and had to call me for the spare key, but as you know, he doesn't own a cell phone. He had to borrow one from his teacher and after using it, he said, "Thank you. I always depend on the kindness of strangers." I bet his teacher rolled her eyes.
5) He asks me for help with thematic references in the story and spends two hours arguing with me by retelling the plot over and over. I have to keep saying, "RB, no matter how many times you retell it, the story is still the same, you know." I know what he was trying to say, of course, because I've known the man for two decades; what I was telling him about subtext wasn't in the book.
6) "I'm turning into a sissy," he moaned to the woman next to him. "Quick, give me a hammer to hit my head with."
Another very unique point of view from most males: RB doesn't see any reason why he need to reread any book ever. Once read, it's done--why revisit the story? My book shelves are incomprehensible to him. Why do I reread my books? I already know the story. Read something else.
I know there are plenty of men who reread their books, don't get me wrong, but most of the time, in a conversation at a party/normal gathering with casual readers, most of the males would tend to agree that rereading a book/article is of no interest to them whereas most females would say they've reread a book/scenes once or twice. I find that interesting. Guys tend to say there is no "value" to the rereading experience. Women, on the other hand, says they enjoy revisiting the "journey" by the characters, which in turn makes the men gag.
Because he has to take these classes, RB and I have been having some really good conversations about reading and literary themes. For me, I enjoy it--both the opportunity to talk the kind of topics that I used to when I taught in college and also as entertainment because it's fun to watch him struggle a little. Hee. Me mean. For him, he doesn't enjoy it so much because he sees no reason why he should give the same opinion about "sexual connotations" as a million other writers from the past. He much prefers last quarter's English papers that had to do with fuel prices, the economy, and the Federal Reserve. You see, THAT stuff, he can talk off his head about ;-).
Why do you reread? If you don't, is it because you see no value in it?
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Monday, June 09, 2008
Literary Conversations Between Two Roofers
Posted by Gennita at 10:07 AM
Labels: the joy of watching alpha males doing stupid things, The Love of Reading, The Love of Writing, Writing
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I definitely re-read books. As to why, that depends a bit on the type of book. Some books get a second read just because they were fun/funny and I want to experience that again. I'll remember the plot, but not some of the really good lines and details. Other books I reread because I know there are layers and they just don't all pop out at me the first time (or three) through the book. Again, I can tell you the plot after the first read, but it seems like things I learn late in the book will affect the way I read earlier sections of the book. When I know that X happened to the character as a child, suddenly a comment the character made prior to me reading about X makes more sense.
I sometimes feel the urge to re-read a book, because I simply have to get back to the journey I was once on with those particular characters.
And lately I have been feeling a strong urge to reread all 3 crosshair books of yours. I read two of them while I was on vacation in Cuba, so that's an added bonus when I go to re-read them. I need that beachy vacation feeling over me again.
Plus, I find re-reading a book is the same as re-watching a movie. And I know lots of guys re-watch movies they've already seen. But I guess doing so with a book would seem rather pointless for them. It's reading, not watching lol.
^ *sorry! *crossfire!!!
Pratchett. I get more out of them every time, not just humor but more satire and irony. A deeply gifted writer.
Bujold. First read is for story/plot, the second is for nuances in character development.
Megan Whalen Turner's Thief trilogy. Such fabulous spare characterizations! Knowing the end puts a completely different perspective on the actions of the main characters.
I definitely reread. Right now I'm rereading a book I bought in 1994. I've lost track of how many times I've read it already.
Why do I reread? This time it was because I couldn't get myself into that reading frame of mind. None of the books in my TBR appealed, neither did any of my usual keepers. (I cracked open Sleeping with the ***** and found the bookmark I lost last year.) Anyway, I pulled this book because it had seen me through other reading slumps.
Other reasons why I reread:
- to revisit old friends and relive the story;
- to get that jolt of pleasure from favorite scenes/passages;
- to see what I missed the first time (sometimes the pace just pulls me along that I overlook details, or the sneaky author had put in details that hadn't seemed important at the time but with hindsight turned out to be foreshadowing);
- research how an author handled something (detail, plot, pacing, characterization, setting, whatever); and
- sometimes just to enjoy a new perspective (one of the series I follow is set in Chicago; after finally visiting Chicago, rereading the books was a different experience since the landmarks mentioned were now things I've seen for myself).
I reread all the time. I have fav passages in books and often read just those passages. For example, I've reread the car scene, the hearing scene, and the "tell Jed it's her hair" scene in Facing Fear so many times now I've lost count. I think it's the thrill of the emotion. In VHis, I reread the falling scene and the elevator scene over and over. For me, they are the ones that epitomize the relationship, the ones with the strongest emotional tugs. I think I reread certain passages more for emotion, but whole books for nuance. Every single time I reread VHis, I found something new, something that changed the way I saw things.
I'll come back to answer more later, but I find it interesting that the word "emotion" and "journey" crept up ;-). I asked my trucker neighbor whether he rereads and he looked at me like I was crazy. I also asked him whether he thought he would WANT to reread any certain scenes. He just laughed and said, maybe the sexy ones, to his wife, but even that had to be done immediately after he read the scene. In that sense, I think he means, he just wanted to say, "Hey wife, check this out. This is sexy." So, really, not a journey for him, except maybe to the bedroom, bwahaha.
I reread books, and those that I reread are books with empathetic characters and great stories to tell. It's like reliving things you did with friends and/or family, or revisiting places where you had wonderful times and the visit brings back good memories.
Part of this also stems from my life as a child. Becaue of problems at home with my dad, I was always looking for a way to escape for awhile, and books became one avenue of escape. Rereading books was like running away from home to places that I had grown to love and people with people who I could see as friends or surrogate family.
My personal experience supports your view that more females reread books than males, but I do have male friends who reread books.
First of all, LOL @ RB shaking the book upside-down, looking for "hidden" passages!
The mister doesn't get why I read AT ALL, much less re-read. If it's not a computer manual or something that teaches something practical, he's not interested. Sigh.
I love to re-read books. To me, it's like visiting with friends and relishing the good times.
Hi Vince,
There are** some male readers who actually "get" emotion and "emotional journey" and are not, like my friend RB thinks, wussies ;-). I also find it eye-opening that RB equated exploring and discussing emotional subtext in public as being wussy. I think he meant to more than two people around, btw, and not shutting up when it came to discussing emotional stuff because the man can talk quite openly.
JP,
RB is a classic storyteller. He is very entertaining to watch and listen ;-). I find many people, especially men, forget to read for enjoyment after a while. It's as if a 9-5 job takes something out of them, and I kind of understand because for the longest time after I became a full-time roofer, I lost interest in the "arts." Maybe the brain shut off certain switches when we're on breadwinning mode and then...we forget how to switch them on again.
Oh my, I'm sounding philosophical. Quick, shut me up!
^ But sounding philosophical sometimes rocks! Now that I think about it, I have never seen my brother-in-law with a book yet. As for my dad, he's a [like JP said] let-me-learn-something reader. So he's got a stack of photoshop books, which need to be reread. Definitely not the same thing as my reading lol.
To add another reason, because I love going through my photo albums so much, I love to reread because it allows me to go back into the past with the characters as well. It's the only way to relive the memories and feelings I had. Albums=photos and books=mental moving photos.
Definitely I re-read to experience that journey/emotion again--which means, I rarely re-read, mystery type books *unless* there's a bigger arc or subarc involving the main protags that I want enjoy again.
Why don't (a lot of) guys re-read? Maybe the same reason why some guys don't say 'I love you'--they show it and figure that's enough.
Jovana,
Another interesting thought struck philosophical Jenn last night. Centuries ago, when men were the ones who read more--did they reread? I'm sure they did because there was no...TV ;-). It was, however, more of an intellectual pursuit in those days, except the Bible, which was for faith.
When more and more women learned how to read and write, it seems that society changed, and books moved beyond "literary pursuits." And of course, now we are the majority reading group while men prefer not to read books. And we reread too.
Just throwing these thoughts out there.
Vanessa,
So you think they just go with..."I've read it and that's enough?" They don't seem to need to enjoy a scene again or pick a phrase out to reread.
(Again, want to reemphasize that we're not talking about ALL men, just the men we bump into around us)
I asked Ranger Buddy whether he would reread Streetcar again. He looked at me like I had grown two heads.
LOL.
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